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> <channel><title>Comments on: Can WordPress solve our College Publisher woes?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/</link> <description>Building a Better Technical Ecosystem for Student News Organizations</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:51:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Survey nearly done, preparing to decamp at Inside CoPress</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link> <dc:creator>Survey nearly done, preparing to decamp at Inside CoPress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:07:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-622</guid> <description>[...] get a face-lift soon, for a cleaner presentation. Look for more topical blogging, like the recent WordPress post, to come. If you want to hear minutia discussed, audio of most of the hour-plus conference is [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get a face-lift soon, for a cleaner presentation. Look for more topical blogging, like the recent WordPress post, to come. If you want to hear minutia discussed, audio of most of the hour-plus conference is [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MoJo DoJo &#187; Tuesday Web Wrap-Up</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link> <dc:creator>MoJo DoJo &#187; Tuesday Web Wrap-Up</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-32</guid> <description>[...] Student media is debating the switch from College Publisher to WordPress. Might be a good professional move [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Student media is debating the switch from College Publisher to WordPress. Might be a good professional move [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Survey nearly done, preparing to decamp - CoPress</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link> <dc:creator>Survey nearly done, preparing to decamp - CoPress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:49:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-31</guid> <description>[...] get a face-lift soon, for a cleaner presentation. Look for more topical blogging, like the recent WordPress post, to come. If you want to hear minutia discussed, audio of the entire hour-plus conference is [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get a face-lift soon, for a cleaner presentation. Look for more topical blogging, like the recent WordPress post, to come. If you want to hear minutia discussed, audio of the entire hour-plus conference is [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin Koehler</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link> <dc:creator>Kevin Koehler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-30</guid> <description>Some good thoughts here.Yes, @jakrose you&#039;re right, WP requires the right theme and plugins to make it an adequate CMS for us. That&#039;s something this project could provide. Question is - with those adjustments to the base install, how could it be packaged so that ordinary users can install it? What about maintenance?I agree largely with Schwanksta on EE. I use it and am a fan. Great flexibility, would be much easier to mold to whatever we want. Yet being less of an end-user product, it&#039;ll take more work. But we get to do it. More molding, less hacking?Daniel - EE opens much of its code and allows anyone to develop extensions, which can be released freely under any license. So no, we can&#039;t give ExpressionEngine away for free, but anything we build for it can be GPL or whatever.For our current purposes, I think building from scratch with Django or anything else is a bad plan. For speed&#039;s sake, as existing products get us halfway there to start. But also for those pre-existing communities to help now and support of the core software long-term.I wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say we should run to use Blogger, but we don&#039;t have to fulfill every ideal today. We just need something that works. Not in 2010. Now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good thoughts here.</p><p>Yes, @jakrose you&#8217;re right, WP requires the right theme and plugins to make it an adequate CMS for us. That&#8217;s something this project could provide. Question is &#8211; with those adjustments to the base install, how could it be packaged so that ordinary users can install it? What about maintenance?</p><p>I agree largely with Schwanksta on EE. I use it and am a fan. Great flexibility, would be much easier to mold to whatever we want. Yet being less of an end-user product, it&#8217;ll take more work. But we get to do it. More molding, less hacking?</p><p>Daniel &#8211; EE opens much of its code and allows anyone to develop extensions, which can be released freely under any license. So no, we can&#8217;t give ExpressionEngine away for free, but anything we build for it can be GPL or whatever.</p><p>For our current purposes, I think building from scratch with Django or anything else is a bad plan. For speed&#8217;s sake, as existing products get us halfway there to start. But also for those pre-existing communities to help now and support of the core software long-term.</p><p>I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say we should run to use Blogger, but we don&#8217;t have to fulfill every ideal today. We just need something that works. Not in 2010. Now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brandon Mendelson</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link> <dc:creator>Brandon Mendelson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:27:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-29</guid> <description>I think it&#039;s fair to say College Publisher needs to be absolutely replaced. There&#039;s no excuse anymore for college papers not to take advantage of free alternatives that let them keep all of their money and free up ad space in the actual paper.Papers could even use Blogger with a ported Wordpress theme, so it&#039;s time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say College Publisher needs to be absolutely replaced. There&#8217;s no excuse anymore for college papers not to take advantage of free alternatives that let them keep all of their money and free up ad space in the actual paper.</p><p>Papers could even use Blogger with a ported Wordpress theme, so it&#8217;s time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Bachhuber</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Bachhuber</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:21:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-28</guid> <description>Not to get entirely off topic, do you think porting WordPress would be an option? I&#039;ve heard great things about Expression Engine all along, but my greatest fear is that it is not open source. I think everything we do an build should be based off the GPL.Also, I&#039;d love to see the backend of something built with Django. We should get a hookup.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to get entirely off topic, do you think porting WordPress would be an option? I&#8217;ve heard great things about Expression Engine all along, but my greatest fear is that it is not open source. I think everything we do an build should be based off the GPL.</p><p>Also, I&#8217;d love to see the backend of something built with Django. We should get a hookup.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: college rag &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CoPress debates College Publisher v. Wordpress</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link> <dc:creator>college rag &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CoPress debates College Publisher v. Wordpress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:58:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-27</guid> <description>[...] new post on the CoPress site debates the merits of College Publisher and Wordpress as a CMS for a college news [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new post on the CoPress site debates the merits of College Publisher and Wordpress as a CMS for a college news [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Prz.Webdeveloper</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link> <dc:creator>Prz.Webdeveloper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-26</guid> <description>involving people in creating something together, also brings about experience of design. I feel that involving stakeholders in futures exploration or envisioning, in field research, in prototyping, in storyboarding/storytelling, etc. brings about a certain click, facilitating the opening up of minds and other, richer channels of communication. How do you look at the relationship between the design of experiences and the experience of design?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>involving people in creating something together, also brings about experience of design. I feel that involving stakeholders in futures exploration or envisioning, in field research, in prototyping, in storyboarding/storytelling, etc. brings about a certain click, facilitating the opening up of minds and other, richer channels of communication. How do you look at the relationship between the design of experiences and the experience of design?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Schwanksta</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link> <dc:creator>Schwanksta</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:33:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-25</guid> <description>Just wanted to add that everyone who&#039;s had to use &lt;a href=&quot;http://alligatorblogs.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alligator Blogs&lt;/a&gt;, the new EE site I set up, has said that the admin interface is a breath of fresh air compared to our old one. Our blogs editor took to it very naturally, and even discovered a feature I never noticed, which was the ability to back-date posts (we were importing old blog posts from the other system into Sports).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add that everyone who&#8217;s had to use <a
href="http://alligatorblogs.org/" rel="nofollow">Alligator Blogs</a>, the new EE site I set up, has said that the admin interface is a breath of fresh air compared to our old one. Our blogs editor took to it very naturally, and even discovered a feature I never noticed, which was the ability to back-date posts (we were importing old blog posts from the other system into Sports).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Schwanksta</title><link>http://www.copress.org/2008/09/30/can-wordpress-solve-our-college-publisher-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link> <dc:creator>Schwanksta</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:26:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.copress.org/?p=101#comment-24</guid> <description>Damnit, I just deleted the entire comment I was writing by accident.However, the gist of it was that you don&#039;t need a Geek on staff if you&#039;re going with a lot of the popular CMS options. WordPress and ExpressionEngine both have a ton of firms and people ready to design your site the way you need it. EE has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://expressionengine.com/professionals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;professionals network&lt;/a&gt;, whereas with WP you just need to &lt;a href=&quot;http://automattic.com/services/wordpress-consultants/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google a bit&lt;/a&gt;.Yes, WP is easier for the non-tech to use, but it&#039;s also limiting in that way. A lot of stuff you might want to do would require either finding a pre-built plugin, or hacking PHP directly. The latter is not a fun option for the non-tech crowd.I also think that WP is harder to build a solid news site with. Even the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themiamihurricane.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hurricane&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; site looks more like a blog, with all of the posts being in chronological order. However, you can use &lt;a href=&quot;http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Custom_Fields&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;custom fields&lt;/a&gt; in WP, meaning that you could weight posts according to their importance.In EE, accomplishing that is much easier.@David I don&#039;t think you can compare WP and Django. WP is a blog-centric CMS, Django is a framework that lets you create database-driven Web apps of all types rapidly. There are no templates to help you out, and you&#039;re stuck either hacking Django&#039;s admin interface to include WYSIWYG and whatever else you want, or rolling your own.I love Django, but writing a CMS in Django is a lot different than taking a CMS and customizing it to your needs. You also have the benefit of an entire community using the same CMS as you, and most likely running into the same sorts of issues.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnit, I just deleted the entire comment I was writing by accident.</p><p>However, the gist of it was that you don&#8217;t need a Geek on staff if you&#8217;re going with a lot of the popular CMS options. WordPress and ExpressionEngine both have a ton of firms and people ready to design your site the way you need it. EE has a <a
href="http://expressionengine.com/professionals/" rel="nofollow">professionals network</a>, whereas with WP you just need to <a
href="http://automattic.com/services/wordpress-consultants/" rel="nofollow">Google a bit</a>.</p><p>Yes, WP is easier for the non-tech to use, but it&#8217;s also limiting in that way. A lot of stuff you might want to do would require either finding a pre-built plugin, or hacking PHP directly. The latter is not a fun option for the non-tech crowd.</p><p>I also think that WP is harder to build a solid news site with. Even the <a
href="http://www.themiamihurricane.com/" rel="nofollow">Hurricane&#8217;s</a> site looks more like a blog, with all of the posts being in chronological order. However, you can use <a
href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Custom_Fields" rel="nofollow">custom fields</a> in WP, meaning that you could weight posts according to their importance.</p><p>In EE, accomplishing that is much easier.</p><p>@David I don&#8217;t think you can compare WP and Django. WP is a blog-centric CMS, Django is a framework that lets you create database-driven Web apps of all types rapidly. There are no templates to help you out, and you&#8217;re stuck either hacking Django&#8217;s admin interface to include WYSIWYG and whatever else you want, or rolling your own.</p><p>I love Django, but writing a CMS in Django is a lot different than taking a CMS and customizing it to your needs. You also have the benefit of an entire community using the same CMS as you, and most likely running into the same sorts of issues.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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