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12:32 pm July 17, 2009 | Daniel Bachhuber
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| | We were recently asked whether we knew of any good commenting policies that encourage good community participation and discourage attacks. Which newspapers/ news organizations do you think have the best policies? NYU Local has an interesting approach in that they require first name and last name so that there's some amount of authenticity and accountability. The Daily Gazette at Swarthmore has a much longer, but straightforward policy that has fostered tremendous participation over the years. If there's enough good responses, I'll probably synthesize the findings in a blog post. Thanks! | |
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1:47 pm July 20, 2009 | Chris Ullyott
| | Fullerton, CA | | | Member | posts 66 |
| | Here's what we're thinking: - No CAPTCHA – they're just not fun.
- Yes, First and Last name.
- We're not sure if the "website" field can be abused with promotions.
- No moderation (journalistically, it may be similar to "prior review").
- Blacklisted words list, including obscene words and some common spam keywords (valium, etc).
- A brief description of our comment policy above the fields and link to the full "terms & conditions."
- Having the online editor routinely check the Akismet stats and comment lists for spam comments. If spam comments get posted, it's not the end of the world; they'll be taken down probably the day they're posted.
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5:15 pm July 20, 2009 | Daniel Bachhuber
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| | Oh, so you're not actually going to moderate comments at all? I think there's the option to only moderate the person's first comment on the website that might be more useful to you. If you moderate that email address once, then it will allow all subsequent comments to go through. What will your policy be/how will you define "spam" comments? | |
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7:52 pm July 20, 2009 | Chris Ullyott
| | Fullerton, CA | | | Member | posts 66 |
| | I think users might be discouraged from posting when they see that their comments aren't trusted. We will set up a really stringent blacklisted keyword list, so that if any of those keywords are mentioned, the comment will just be placed into moderation. Doesn't Akismet catch obvious spam comments and put them into moderation? | |
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11:39 pm July 21, 2009 | William P. Davis
| | Veazie, Maine | | | Admin | posts 65 |
| | Just because a person leaves a good comment once doesn't mean they will all the time. As unfortunate as it is, there are many people who will not always leave constructive or considerate comments. For this reason, the online editor at The Campus reads all comments when they are posted, and if they are not appropriate they are unapproved. It is not prior review, it's like not using extremely incendiary comments in your paper and censoring expletives. Personally, we don't censor our commentors, but if they cross the line the entire comment will be pulled. Be aware — your newspaper can be sued for a comment on your site. | |
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5:16 am July 22, 2009 | tpillow
| | Gainesville, FL (UF) | | | Member | posts 4 |
| | Post edited 9:26 am – July 22, 2009 by tpillow
The libel problem William mentions seems rather sticky. I sure don't have time to read everyone's comments on a daily basis. I like the first and last name policy mentioned in Daniel's first post, but how could you enforce that, and/or ensure against people pretending to be someone else? |
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5:32 am July 22, 2009 | tpillow
| | Gainesville, FL (UF) | | | Member | posts 4 |
| | And how about this thing that was developed by students at Northwestern? In addition to providing a different commenting method, it links commenting to Facebook acounts using Facebook Connect. Seems like it has a lot of potential, but I don't fully grasp how it works. I will look into it further; might make for the beginnings of a fantastic pluggin. |
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5:42 am July 22, 2009 | HDavidShaw
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| | Post edited 9:52 am – July 22, 2009 by HDavidShaw
Greetings from Kabul, Afghanistan and The American University of Afghanistan. I am the faculty/staff advisor to our new campus publication the AUAF Free Press (http://www.auaffreepress.com) a publication of the students of the University. Wonder how many of you knew an American University actually existed in Afghanistan or that Co-Press was helping us with our news publication? I am actually the one that brought this topic to the forefront as we had what started as a comment escalate to almost a physical altercation on campus. To prevent this from happening in the future I thought we should come up with a comment policy that our editors will use to guide them in what comments to approve or not. I found a good comment policies out there and was seeking any further input from all of you as well. This is what I found: http://www.michigandaily.com/comment" href="http://www.michigandaily.com/comment" target="_blank">http://www.michigandaily.com/comment http://www.utmpacer.com/commentpolicy/" href="http://www.utmpacer.com/commentpolicy/" target="_blank">http://www.utmpacer.com/commentpolicy/ http://www.thebrownandwhite.com/comments/" href="http://www.thebrownandwhite.com/comments/" target="_blank">http://www.thebrownandwhite.co…../comments/ http://www.ucbvu.com/commentspolicy/" href="http://www.ucbvu.com/commentspolicy/" target="_blank">http://www.ucbvu.com/commentspolicy/ http://files.dailytarheel.com/forms/Commentpolicy.doc" href="http://files.dailytarheel.com/forms/Commentpolicy.doc" target="_blank">http://files.dailytarheel.com/…..policy.doc http://www.nwaonline.net/comment_policy/" href="http://www.nwaonline.net/comment_policy/" target="_blank">http://www.nwaonline.net/comment_policy/ http://www.thejusticeonline.com/comments/" href="http://www.thejusticeonline.com/comments/" target="_blank">http://www.thejusticeonline.co…../comments/ http://nwasource.com/wcnewsonline.com/comment-policy/" href="http://nwasource.com/wcnewsonline.com/comment-policy/" target="_blank">http://nwasource.com/wcnewsonl…..nt-policy/ http://www.redandblack.com/user/terms/" href="http://www.redandblack.com/user/terms/" target="_blank">http://www.redandblack.com/user/terms/ (In Rules of Conduct) Comments, suggestions, etc. will be greatly appreciated. I do really like the idea of linking the terms of use to the above or below the comments input block. Likewise I would like to be able to block anonymous ips that continue to be a problem. Internet cafes here are the norm rather than the exception as many folks do not have 24 hour electricity let alone any internet at home. It is these ips we are having the most problems from. In addition we have shifted to a registration procedure that will require folks to be at least registered before posting comments. I know, I know, they can do so anonymously, however, at least they will have to go through a few steps and think about it for a few moments before they post the comment while the registration process happens. Thanks to Co-Press for all your help and for all of you who contribute. |
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6:26 am July 22, 2009 | ryansholin
| | Fairport, NY | | | New Member | posts 1 |
| | Commencing linkdump in 3, 2, 1… - The Knoxville News-Sentinel (you may know Jack Lail, Director of News Innovation in Knoxville, from the Internet) has been doing a lot of comment policy/activity/preferences research this year:
- I did a little casual survey earlier this year, mostly using Wired Journalists as the base of respondents, but asking around on Twitter and my blog, too.
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12:23 pm July 22, 2009 | William P. Davis
| | Veazie, Maine | | | Admin | posts 65 |
| | Just out of curiosity — does anyone else publish comments in the newspaper? Once a week we publish "Best of Web", where we include two or three of the week's best comments. We don't get a ton of letters to the editor, so this compensates. | |
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1:22 am July 23, 2009 | MaxCutler
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| | William P. Davis said: Just out of curiosity — does anyone else publish comments in the newspaper? Once a week we publish "Best of Web", where we include two or three of the week's best comments. We don't get a ton of letters to the editor, so this compensates.
As part of our print redesign last summer, our editorial staff made it a priority to publish online comments in our print edition. They usually have a comment on the top of most pages. I know in focus group sessions it was something that our readers appreciated and it did help some drive at least some of those people to check out the website who might not have otherwise. |
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10:24 am July 23, 2009 | Andrew Spittle
| | Walla Walla, WA | | | Moderator | posts 49 |
| | Post edited 2:25 pm – July 23, 2009 by aspittle
Re: Moderation – For the Pioneer we currently pass all comments through moderation just because in the past we have had some significant problems with them and this is a way to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future. As far as a policy goes, we don't have anything too developed yet, but we do post a small explanation of our policy right by the comments box on articles: like this one for example | Andrew – andrew@copress.org – CoPress Hosting Director – http://www.andrewspittle.net |
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3:10 pm July 23, 2009 | joey
| | Silicon Valley | | | Admin | posts 39 |
| | I'll toss a quick link into the conversation. The Air Force, of all folks has come up with a interesting flow chart. It basically details how to respond to comments. | |
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10:04 pm July 24, 2009 | Chris Ullyott
| | Fullerton, CA | | | Member | posts 66 |
| | Hey, so here's a related question for ya: Can you somehow manually input comments from your old site and put them into wordpress posts? | |
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11:50 pm July 24, 2009 | William P. Davis
| | Veazie, Maine | | | Admin | posts 65 |
| | I thought about adding the comments from the old site, but decided most of them weren't really worth it. If you can convince CP to give them to you, it shouldn't be terribly difficult, assuming you didn't reset the post IDs when you switched. | |
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4:18 pm August 15, 2009 | Chris Ullyott
| | Fullerton, CA | | | Member | posts 66 |
| | Continuing the commenting discussion… how you you handle promotional comments, like this one? The poster I guess just wants to link to their site and not much else… | |
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5:09 pm August 15, 2009 | William P. Davis
| | Veazie, Maine | | | Admin | posts 65 |
| | That looks like a trackback. I've blocked all trackbacks on our site. They're very bloggish, not newspaperish, and just end up promoting others' sites. | |
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9:20 pm August 17, 2009 | Chris Ullyott
| | Fullerton, CA | | | Member | posts 66 |
| | I agree. We sell text links for the front page of the website; this would defeat the purpose. | |
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9:59 pm August 17, 2009 | Daniel Bachhuber
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| | I think WordPress generally packages trackbacks with a "nofollow" tag so the search engine knows not to index them. The reason that Text Link Ads are valuable, which also raises ethical questions, is that they don't have the "nofollow" tag and therefore the websites that show up are paying to have their SEO and Google Juice improved. | |
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12:31 am August 23, 2009 | Daniel Bachhuber
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| | Adding the Lawrence Journal-World's commenting policy to this thread because I have a lot of respect for what they've done online. It probably has good information to live by. | |
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