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6:27 pm
December 3, 2009


Chris Ullyott

Fullerton, CA

Member

posts 66

Hi everyone,

We are dealing with an issue here and we'd like your opinion. We have a PDF archive of newspapers dating back to the '60s. Often we get letters from readers who claim that detrimental information from our archives was found in Google search results… and apparently in their own background checks. We want to maintain a comprehensive archive, but would also wish that our content didn't result in lost opportunities for those who rightly deserve those opportunities.

An option we were thinking of taking is encrypting these PDF files on a case-by-base basis, so that search engines cannot index them. Search results usually display a one-sentence excerpt that can often be taken out of context anyway.

What do you think? Is your archive indexed?


Chris Ullyott | Daily Titan, CSU Fullerton | cullyott@dailytitan.com

6:44 pm
December 3, 2009


William P. Davis

Veazie, Maine

Admin

posts 65

Here's the simple solution:

Don't delete anything. Ever.

We get these requests every day. Sometimes it's people who show up in the police logs and don't want their potential bosses to know they got caught with pot when they were 19. Sometimes it's people who wrote articles who are embarrassed by their old views. We always say no, and have gone so far as to restore articles that were at one point deleted by employees not following the policy.

If it's something in a police log, that will show up on a background check no matter what. It's public information, and as long as it was correct at the time it was published you have absolutely no responsibility to do anything. For felonies (not misdemeanors) we can attach a note to the end of the article saying charges were cleared if we did not write a followup and the person brings in court documents showing as such.

If it's something people wrote, that's their bad luck. A newspaper needs to stand by everything it publishes. Correct errors quickly, but be transparent about it — attach a note to the end of an article if you corrected something. Never delete anything.

If you're having problems with your conscience, think of it this way: If the person deserves the job they're applying for, a brief about them getting busted for possession shouldn't be in the first 1,000 Google results, and if they're really qualified for the job the employer shouldn't even care.

wpdavis.com | Editor in Chief, The Maine Campus | Associate, CoPress | will@copress.org | 207.660.5342

6:44 pm
December 3, 2009


Andrew Spittle

Walla Walla, WA

Moderator

posts 49

Hi Chris-

We've actually dealt with a very similar issue at The Whitman Pioneer. We had past writers asking for their columns to be taken down because of concerns over potential employers finding them. We ultimately decided that in the first instance we would allow it since at the time they were not writing for web. However, we immediately added a stipulation to the contracts that said anything you write will remain on the Pioneer's website. Thus, all writers from this point forward are agreeing to allow their content remain on the site forever. Hope that helps.

Andrew – andrew@copress.org – CoPress Hosting Director – http://www.andrewspittle.net

6:46 pm
December 3, 2009


William P. Davis

Veazie, Maine

Admin

posts 65

Andrew-

I would not even go so far as to extend that courtesy. The integrety of your archives is paramount. The writers knew they were writing for a newspaper and that it would be published. Whether it's published in print or on the Web is a moot point.

wpdavis.com | Editor in Chief, The Maine Campus | Associate, CoPress | will@copress.org | 207.660.5342

6:48 pm
December 3, 2009


sguzik

New Member

posts 1

At Student Life, we've had a posted policy on this for a while because it became an issue a while back. In short, we don't remove anything. We also extend the policy to things like comments—basically, anything that we publish in any form.

If you're interested, our policy is online at http://www.studlife.com/web-policy/

6:50 pm
December 3, 2009


William P. Davis

Veazie, Maine

Admin

posts 65

I like the idea of posting the policy online. Very transparent.

wpdavis.com | Editor in Chief, The Maine Campus | Associate, CoPress | will@copress.org | 207.660.5342

7:16 pm
December 3, 2009


arobinsonwku

Member

posts 32

Post edited 12:17 am – December 4, 2009 by arobinsonwku


Chris, that same information would be available if a person went to look at a court's records. You're not publicizing anything by any means. If you're removing information at readers' request you're creating a slippery slope and bad precedent. Where does it stop if you start with one?


Like I said, that information is public. Keep it that way.

11:00 pm
December 3, 2009


Daniel Bachhuber

Admin

posts 102

Chris, I'm very much in the camp that you shouldn't take anything off the web unless it's inaccurate. It's rewriting history to some degree. Your question did bring up an interesting thought in my mind, however, that I'd love to get gut reactions to. What if, instead of deleting the article or content altogether, you just de-indexed it from Google? You could even leave it in your site's search engine; it's just that removing it from Google might keep the embarrassing article from showing up on the first page of results. Would that be ethical, do you think?

11:06 pm
December 3, 2009


Chris Ullyott

Fullerton, CA

Member

posts 66

Thanks for all your input.

We're not going to remove any of our stories from the archives, but we're considering changing the way we let our stories be indexed by search engines. Basically, we see that some subjects mentioned in the stories, when searching their name, what comes up are excerpts from the stories that can be a little detrimental to them, since by their nature are taken "out of context."

We're considering encrypting the PDFs that contain the person's name, so that search results do not show for that particular person's name. Is changing accessibility censorship? I don't necessarily think so. In certain instances I think it may do more good than harm… vice versa other times as well. In any case, the original issue can still be found on our own site.

Chris Ullyott | Daily Titan, CSU Fullerton | cullyott@dailytitan.com

9:21 am
December 4, 2009


William P. Davis

Veazie, Maine

Admin

posts 65

In the end, it's easiest to have a simple policy with a clear line. Remember: It's not your fault people did or wrote this, and you don't have any obligation to them. You should be working to expand access to all your archives, not working to decrease access to a few parts of it.

wpdavis.com | Editor in Chief, The Maine Campus | Associate, CoPress | will@copress.org | 207.660.5342

3:43 pm
December 8, 2009


Chris Ullyott

Fullerton, CA

Member

posts 66

Thanks.

I know it is not our responsibility to "improve" any person's search results. 

However, has anyone ever used the Google comments that go beside search results? Could this possibly be a good way for people to inform background checkers more about the listing? 

Chris Ullyott | Daily Titan, CSU Fullerton | cullyott@dailytitan.com

3:45 pm
December 8, 2009


Chris Ullyott

Fullerton, CA

Member

posts 66

Nevermind, the search comments only appear for the person using it, using SearchWiki.

Chris Ullyott | Daily Titan, CSU Fullerton | cullyott@dailytitan.com


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